he has to take do not get -- do not answer jim lehrer. go after president obama and speak to him in the second person and say you have failed unfortunately and here is what we can do differently and make it a sharp contrast. >> chris: interestingly enough, liz, when i talked to congressman ryan about the fact that romney needs a clear victory because of the state of the polls he pushed back against that. does he need a clear victory? >> he does. i think there is universal consensus that he has to do something to shake up the trajectory of the race and a safe performance probably isn't going to be enough at this point. having said that i think it might not be that hard for romney to get a win in the first debate. challengers get the win. >> chris: just by the fact that they are on the same stage as the president. >> presidents sometimes feel on some level a little irritated that they have to go through this and that times comes across. the think the dynamics will in some ways actually favor romney. all romney has to do i sort of disagree w